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Holloway

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Wholeheartedly agree with the last line, but I'd say a disproportionate part of Liverpool's following to these showpiece events are travelling with the intent of bunking in, I've seen it first hand. This unfortunately has a negative effect on the genuine fans, but they don't give a fuck about that. I bet some of those poor fuckers with valid tickets didn't see a minute of that final, that would ruin me

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The Prophet

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It can be both true that the stadium entry logistics were terribly executed and Liverpool fans exacerbated the problem.

 

Kettling and indiscriminate tear gassing is bang out of order, but unfortunately something the French police have become well known for.

 

Having experienced Liverpool fans en masse first hand, rushing gates, flogging dodgy tickets and assaulting opposition fans is par for the course, so I don't believe for one moment that it was entirely unprovoked. They're by far the most unpleasant fans I've experienced.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Dancing Brave said:

 


That’s a man under pressure. Beaten by one shot on target, should have been two but Klopp and his other team didn’t react to the warning sign and the let off that followed. 
 

How many of Liverpools shots were hit and hopes following a period of not being able to muster up the courage to do what they do to the likes of Southampton regularly? 

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HaydnNUFC

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Sounds bloody terrifying the stuff that went on outside the ground before kick off. One key part of the Taylor Report was on-the-ground police not having the authority to change any kind of plans, ie that van bottleneck under the underpass, as the cops in charge are elsewhere. So chaos ensues when it goes tits up.

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Anyone go to Milan a few years back. The first thing I saw was the ball in the air after Solano hit the bar, literally on entering the ground we got in that late. 2 turnstiles open, Police created a bottleneck, no pushing or shoving, an orderly queue.

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Paullow

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Solihull 3-1 up after 60 mins against Chesterfield, winner plays Grimsby in the final. It would be a bit unusual seeing Solihull in the league, but would quite like it.

 

Scott Loach in goal for Chesterfield. I remember him at Watford when he was England U21 keeper, and he's in goal for Chesterfield today. He made over 150 league games for Watford in the Championship, but then must have dropped off and has had most of his usually prime years in the National League, including a couple of seasons at Hartlepool - it's strange how careers can just go downhill.

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34 minutes ago, Paullow said:

Solihull 3-1 up after 60 mins against Chesterfield, winner plays Grimsby in the final. It would be a bit unusual seeing Solihull in the league, but would quite like it.

 

Scott Loach in goal for Chesterfield. I remember him at Watford when he was England U21 keeper, and he's in goal for Chesterfield today. He made over 150 league games for Watford in the Championship, but then must have dropped off and has had most of his usually prime years in the National League, including a couple of seasons at Hartlepool - it's strange how careers can just go downhill.

I live in Solihull so it'd be brilliant to see them do it.

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Frankly, it's inevitable given the tribalism in football that people's views become distorted when discussing clubs, or fans of clubs they either like or dislike for whatever reason, and so, it is hard to paint a true picture from afar without having to swallow some degree of propaganda which generally leans in some form of direction.

 

However, taking the view (as many on Twitter have done) that this is entirely the fault of Liverpool fans is entirely lazy and dangerously ignorant. Football fans, of any club, would likely attempt to 'break in' to any such occasion or stadium if they were playing a Champions League final, and whilst that in itself is unlawful and dangerous it is somewhat understandable. Who wouldn't want to experience the (potential) 'experience of a lifetime' watching their club be crowned the best team on the continent?

 

Despite this, they are also not void of any blame. There will have been a minority doing so and as previously mentioned, they shouldn't be. Especially as they, themselves, have fought for years to clear their name on the Hillsborough incident.

 

At Marseille, as a young teen, I remember how the French police were dressed, how they treated us and how we were housed. One giant warehouse panelled out into 3 screening areas with riot police dressed like robocop pushing people about. Yet somehow, flares managed to make there way from the Marseille end to ignite the paper/foil display at the front and create a fire that burned towards us. The football hooliganism of our past once again acting as the timeless stereotype of how all our fans supposedly act, whilst those in the Marseille end actively endangered everyone. 

 

However, once again, minorities spoil it for the majority, and it's no real surprise when you see how some of the England contingency act when they're away that we're still tarnished with such a shit reputation.

 

Perhaps though, just perhaps, a novel solution would be for all of the corporate pigs to fuck off and leave tickets for actual fans these events? Perhaps, policing should be put under more scrutiny as they seem to have an increasing amount of free licence to treat people like animals? Perhaps UEFA need to fund security for these events more appropriately?

 

After Hillsborough, surely all sides should have learned, just as we should learn with wars... But I guess not. 

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Anyone who regularly went to matches (especially away) back then will have been in situations where what happened at Hillsborough could have happened to them. I’ve had it twice, at forest and West Ham. 
 

it was depressing last night seeing cunts on twitter going on about ticketless fans “like at Hillsborough”. 
 

when the fuck will people learn?

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8 minutes ago, brummie said:

Anyone who regularly went to matches (especially away) back then will have been in situations where what happened at Hillsborough could have happened to them. I’ve had it twice, at forest and West Ham. 
 

it was depressing last night seeing cunts on twitter going on about ticketless fans “like at Hillsborough”. 
 

when the fuck will people learn?

As much as Hillsborough was caused by different reasons, the fact that there was too many people in an area that shouldn’t have had that many people is what lead to the disaster.

You would think that the fans of the club who were impacted by that disaster would have the knowledge to not go into crowded areas where they shouldn’t be and attempt to either mistakenly be allowed in, or to rush the gates.

It has happened twice at Champions League finals by the same set of fans in recent years and shouldn’t be ignored. 

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I'm a Newcastle fan so I know fuck all about European cup soccer but when did they start calling it the Conference League?

 

edit: So there's three fucking European comps now? I'm thinking Roma won the Europa League and they won the Conference League.


:lol: Conference League ain't the most inspiring name.

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Wolfcastle

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43 minutes ago, Mike said:

I'm a Newcastle fan so I know fuck all about European cup soccer but when did they start calling it the Conference League?

 

edit: So there's three fucking European comps now? I'm thinking Roma won the Europa League and they won the Conference League.


:lol: Conference League ain't the most inspiring name.

The football powers that be are brilliant.

The UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup meant a lot more so they rebranded one, got rid of the other but have now basically brought it back and rebranded it and to distinguish them from the Champions League have made them all the exact same format for a distinctly 2nd and 3rd rate flavour.

Bravo.

 

 

 

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It's quite interesting that today is a battle of the third wheels in our previous two 2nd tier campaigns.

 

Forest pushed us and WBA closest in 2009/10 before ultimately falling away and losing out in the playoffs:

https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-championship/20-february-2010/

 

And then Huddersfield 5 years ago - they were definitely the main threat to us and Brighton, and they obviously went up via the playoffs later on:

https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-championship/11-march-2017/

 

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Dancing Brave

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1 hour ago, brummie said:

Anyone who regularly went to matches (especially away) back then will have been in situations where what happened at Hillsborough could have happened to them. I’ve had it twice, at forest and West Ham. 
 

it was depressing last night seeing cunts on twitter going on about ticketless fans “like at Hillsborough”. 
 

when the fuck will people learn?

Spurs away in 1987, FA Cup 5th round was the most frightened I've ever been at a Newcastle match.

10-12 thousand Newcastle fans packed in a shitty little end with horrible fences.

How nobody was hurt real bad i'll never know.

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Paullow said:

It's quite interesting that today is a battle of the third wheels in our previous two 2nd tier campaigns.

 

Forest pushed us and WBA closest in 2009/10 before ultimately falling away and losing out in the playoffs:

https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-championship/20-february-2010/

 

And then Huddersfield 5 years ago - they were definitely the main threat to us and Brighton, and they obviously went up via the playoffs later on:

https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-championship/11-march-2017/

 

Just gave me a flashback to that Tuesday night, Saturday teatime back to back wins away at Brighton and Huddersfield :smitten:

 

What a couple of games man, remember going into that week genuinely thinking we could lose both and be in big trouble. One of the few highlights of the Ashley era that

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15 minutes ago, joeyt said:

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ahahaha


“I worked so hard to sing someone else’s songs and do the dance moves they told me to do, goddamnit!”

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1 hour ago, Stifler said:

As much as Hillsborough was caused by different reasons, the fact that there was too many people in an area that shouldn’t have had that many people is what lead to the disaster.

You would think that the fans of the club who were impacted by that disaster would have the knowledge to not go into crowded areas where they shouldn’t be and attempt to either mistakenly be allowed in, or to rush the gates.

It has happened twice at Champions League finals by the same set of fans in recent years and shouldn’t be ignored. 


You’re missing the point. Idiots are going to idiot, when you’ve got a large number of people. The vast majority of people in that crowd - in any such crowd - are going to be people who just want to watch a footy match and paid through the nose to do so.

 

When you’re in that crowd you go where the Police/authorities make you go. Despite decades of crowd control knowledge and past big games at the same stadium they fucked up, and fucked up in the same ways they have always done. I don’t think the police ignored that it was the same set of fans. I think the police treated Liverpool fans differently, and this is the result.
 

I’m sure there were plenty of Liverpool fans with snide tickets and (it sounds like) a fair few locals trying it on. That has always been the case and will always be the case. It’s up to the authorities to come up with a system to deal with that while keeping everyone safe. It’s not impossible. We’ve done it before. 

 

We knew Hillsborough was coming. Only questions were when and to whom. If the authorities are back making the same mistakes again then it’s only a matter of time again. At least we’re not back in fucking cages I guess.

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