The Europeometer™ (2023/24) - permutations in O.P.

[Big River]

I knew we shouldn't have sacked Big Sam. it's going to come back and haunt us now

[The Prophet]

13 minutes ago, STM said:

Funny because I looked at Allardyces appointment as a blessing for us.

 

This idea that him and Dyche are specialists at fighting relegation battles is nonsense. They are backs to the wall, long ball merchants.

 

I'd like to see Leeds play direct against us. We will end up with 90% possession and about 300 shots.

 

 

I do think it's a bit harsh to lump Dyche in with the dinosaurs, but I agree.

 

You're talking about a POMO-specialist who has been out of the game for two years, after being relegated with a record of 4 wins in 26 during his last gig. He has days to gel a defensively disorganised mess into a side capable of keeping of keeping clean sheets. 

 

I know some folk hate the bed-wetting crack, hence the tongue-in-cheek use of it, but that's genuinely what it is at this point. Just perpetual worrying about everything, all of the time. Unless he's dramatically changed his philosophy, Allerdyce is going to encounter exactly the same problems as Gracia did. It's a mad appointment. 

[Kid Icarus]

16 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

That's a good point that. Think because Howe did it a prettier way, his achievements of keeping them up for so long don't get recognised. Because Dyche, Pulis, etc play ugly football, it's seen more as scrapping to stay up. 

Managers like Allardyce and Bruce get credit for winning relegation battles they got themselves into in the first place through being shit. Howe avoided the battles entirely for the most part, didn't get the same 'survival specialist' plaudits, but then 'took Bournemouth down' when it only happened because of an absolute freak technological failure.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Kid Icarus

[Wallsendmag]

Just stuck £20 on Liverpool to finish top 4 (11/2 Paddy Power) based on nothing more than this place giving me the fear!

 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Wallsendmag

[bowlingcrofty]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

Just stuck £20 on Liverpool to finish top 4 (11/2 Paddy Power) based on nothing more than this place giving me the fear!

 

 

 

Should have bet on us not to finish top 4 (7/1) if that’s what you’re worried about.

[timeEd32]

6 minutes ago, bowlingcrofty said:

Should have bet on us not to finish top 4 (7/1) if that’s what you’re worried about.

 

At least the other way has an out where we make it and Liverpool does too. Although honestly I'd prefer Man United to Liverpool. Fuck them.

[Wallsendmag]

10 minutes ago, bowlingcrofty said:

Should have bet on us not to finish top 4 (7/1) if that’s what you’re worried about.

 

You're right I messed this up! We are 17/2 not to make top 4. Luckily my cash was still £20 so I've changed it! Cheers 

[bowlingcrofty]

10 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

You're right I messed this up! We are 17/2 not to make top 4. Luckily my cash was still £20 so I've changed it! Cheers 

Just don’t blame both us and Liverpool finish top 4 now  

[Scotty66]

1 hour ago, Magpie said:

Really? Do you recall his last appointment at West Brom? He was brought in to do exactly the same and they were dreadful 

 

I absolutely agree and hopefully the same will happen with Leeds. I just mean their players will definitely have a boost now that a new manager has come in. Hopefully they get absolutely twatted off Man City to bring morale down but I don't think the Leeds we face will be lower on morale than if Gracia stayed. 

 

I still believe we'll be too much for them but that new manager bounce will give them a bit of extra life even if it is under the dinosaur that is Allardyce. 

[TRon]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

Hard disagree.

 

Nearly every time there's been 3 legit managers at a club, the 3rd everyone just down's tools. it's too many different ideas, players lose confidence in the project. It happened to us with Shearer, we went out with a whimper. It happened to Watford last season when they sacked Ranieri and brought in Hodgson - they just fell off. Chelsea with Lampard. Southampton with this lad.

 

It's such a terrible fit personnel wise. They still have Championship level defenders and a GK with zero confidence (playing anyone else might be a benefit though). Allardyce is going there for the cheque and to be back in the limelight. Miracle worker if they stay up (they're not actually in the bottom 3 anyway), a draw and a win might be enough to keep em up on GD. And it won't be his fault if they go down.

 

 

 

 

I'm not really talking about tactics or player profiles not fitting with them tbh, just think when a team has been performing as badly as Leeds recently, it's in our favour not to see anything change until after we play them. It's more pyschological than coaching ability.

 

Although most players would dread playing for Allardyce so there is a good chance that there won't be any positive reaction from the players. Especially if City can turn them over heavily.

[The College Dropout]

Well aye they keep conceding bucket loads. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Might be a relief to start sitting back and camping on the edge of their own box. Whether it leads to any more points... probably not. 

[Jaqen]

We are now worried about Fat Sam taking over at Leeds? God I hope Liverpool drop some points in these two games before us otherwise it's going to be painful reading come Sunday 

[et tu brute]

Some right Fanny's on here mind. As I've said the other day, if we can't oversee a 9 point lead with only 5 games remaining, 3 at home and 2 against teams in the bottom 5, then serious questions should be asked. Thankfully I have more faith in this team.

[ponsaelius]

I'm gonna be in bits if we're ever going for the title or later rounds of CL. Genuinely find being good ridiculously stressful. Keep re-checking fixtures, odds, percentages, weighing up permutations. We're better than I can ever remember us being and yet I stress watch through games with my heart pounding along. 

 

I think making the CL is a particularly huge deal for me this season because I think it's a way to skip forward so much of FFP restrictions. It can supercharge our progress. I think EL or ECL could actually hinder us - getting a load more games but without the additional revenue or pulling power. 

[PauloGeordio]

3 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

I'm gonna be in bits if we're ever going for the title or later rounds of CL. Genuinely find being good ridiculously stressful. Keep re-checking fixtures, odds, percentages, weighing up permutations. We're better than I can ever remember us being and yet I stress watch through games with my heart pounding along. 

 

I think making the CL is a particularly huge deal for me this season because I think it's a way to skip forward so much of FFP restrictions. It can supercharge our progress. I think EL or ECL could actually hinder us - getting a load more games but without the additional revenue or pulling power. 

Big 6, Premier League shitting it!! 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

For all Liverpool are on a good run, they have 1 more point than us in the last 5. They have scored four more than us all season but conceded 15 more. 

[Chicken Dancer]

1 hour ago, ponsaelius said:

I'm gonna be in bits if we're ever going for the title or later rounds of CL. Genuinely find being good ridiculously stressful. Keep re-checking fixtures, odds, percentages, weighing up permutations. We're better than I can ever remember us being and yet I stress watch through games with my heart pounding along. 

 

I think making the CL is a particularly huge deal for me this season because I think it's a way to skip forward so much of FFP restrictions. It can supercharge our progress. I think EL or ECL could actually hinder us - getting a load more games but without the additional revenue or pulling power. 

 

This is exactly me. Never felt this stressed fighting relegation. It's because it's completely alien to us. My lass is beyond sick of me, I'm chewed to bits.

 

There's no denying that that lump going to Leeds makes next week a tad more difficult - yes I know they're awful but look at Everton in Dyche's first game (I know this will be Jabba's 2nd). They beat Arsenal. We definitely should have enough to beat them but it definitely makes it harder. Hopefully Man City stick 5 past them.

 

That being said we were a Lucas Moura clearance away from being home and hosed. I reckon internally, Howe and the players will be targeting 3rd.

[Optimistic Nut]

1 hour ago, ponsaelius said:

I'm gonna be in bits if we're ever going for the title or later rounds of CL. Genuinely find being good ridiculously stressful. Keep re-checking fixtures, odds, percentages, weighing up permutations. We're better than I can ever remember us being and yet I stress watch through games with my heart pounding along. 

 

I think making the CL is a particularly huge deal for me this season because I think it's a way to skip forward so much of FFP restrictions. It can supercharge our progress. I think EL or ECL could actually hinder us - getting a load more games but without the additional revenue or pulling power. 

 

Hoping it gets easier the more we're used to it. 

[TRC]

Liverpool play twice before we play. Fulham is a write off, hopefully Brentford get something. If we lose on Sunday and they win both we will be under pressure vs Leeds.

[GWN]

Some reet Fannie’s mind 

[LFEE]

7 minutes ago, GWN said:

Some reet Fannie’s mind 

Mind you it doesn’t help when @Optimistic Nutis arguing against my concerns/reasoning and I started to think I was overthinking things then he goes on a few mins later to predict Leicester we’re going to batter Everton 3-0 and it pans out they are hanging on desperately to scrape even a 2-2 draw with them 🤣

[Elliottman]

32 minutes ago, TRC said:

Liverpool play twice before we play. Fulham is a write off, hopefully Brentford get something. If we lose on Sunday and they win both we will be under pressure vs Leeds.

Why is Fulham a write off?! 

[Abacus]

29 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

 

This is exactly me. Never felt this stressed fighting relegation. It's because it's completely alien to us. My lass is beyond sick of me, I'm chewed to bits.

 

There's no denying that that lump going to Leeds makes next week a tad more difficult - yes I know they're awful but look at Everton in Dyche's first game (I know this will be Jabba's 2nd). They beat Arsenal. We definitely should have enough to beat them but it definitely makes it harder. Hopefully Man City stick 5 past them.

 

That being said we were a Lucas Moura clearance away from being home and hosed. I reckon internally, Howe and the players will be targeting 3rd.

To me, this is nowhere near as stressful as the relegation seasons. 

 

In those, you seemed to have a chance every week to get out of it and then we always cocked it up. It was just a never-ending feeling of sickness and disappointment.

 

I've enjoyed games so much this season, more than in years, with a team and a manager I'm totally behind.

 

We're basically guaranteed some form of European football next year which was beyond our dreams 12 months ago. And we've got a genuine better than good shot at Champions League. I'd easily rather be in our position than anyone outside the top 4.

 

Your lass is probably right. And you can explain that in your own way when we thrash Arsenal.

[TRC]

2 minutes ago, Elliottman said:

Why is Fulham a write off?! 

Ream and Perreira out, Mitro Banned. Cant see Fulham doing anything but getting battered.