KaKa Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 He's terribly wrong, but most fans just look at the league positions. I find it funny how it has been completely forgotten how Rafa was purposely not allowed to sign any players he wanted and so we continuously ran down the transfer window and only allowed him to buy players he wanted at the very end of the window if they cost no more than £5 million e.g. Fernandez, Schar, Joselu, Rondon (on loan) etc etc. Almiron was the only player they eventually backed him on. Bruce's first window and £56 million was spent on ASM and Joelinton alone. And so basically Rafa on minimum budgets achieved what Bruce has having spent upwards of £56 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Hold the T Yep, sums him up perfectly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just came across this on Twitter some fans arguing over Rafa or Bruce... If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Forget the league table for a minute and look at the managers table. Where would you put Steve Bruce? One of the top 5 managers? Bottom 5, bottom 3, or bottom 2 which is where I rate him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Forget the league table for a minute and look at the managers table. Where would you put Steve Bruce? One of the top 5 managers? Bottom 5, bottom 3, or bottom 2 which is where I rate him About 30th. He's right in that group of Warnock, Curbishley, Pardew, Dowie, Moyes, Hughes etc (the PFMs) that fit perfectly for getting championship sides promoted then struggling in the topflight. Basically a manager you'd be happy to see at any team you weren't supporting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Of course loads of fans love him, he's one of their own in most ways imaginable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just came across this on Twitter some fans arguing over Rafa or Bruce... If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just came across this on Twitter some fans arguing over Rafa or Bruce... If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Not this knacker using "facts" again. We can't play against 10 men all the time you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just came across this on Twitter some fans arguing over Rafa or Bruce... If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Read the post properly. Not saying Carver was any good as he clearly wasn't, but the football was still better than anything served up by your mate Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just came across this on Twitter some fans arguing over Rafa or Bruce... If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Read the post properly. Not saying Carver was any good as he clearly wasn't, but the football was still better than anything served up by your mate Steve. I've learned the hard way. I used to ignore him but just lately I have had a go back at him. He just loves an argument. Just wait, you'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just came across this on Twitter some fans arguing over Rafa or Bruce... If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Read the post properly. Not saying Carver was any good as he clearly wasn't, but the football was still better than anything served up by your mate Steve. I've learned the hard way. I used to ignore him but just lately I have had a go back at him. He just loves an argument. Just wait, you'll see. The football was shite under Carver. What the fuck are you about man? We lost 8 in a row under Carver. He won 3 games, drew 4, and lost 13. Win ratio of 15%. "But the football was still better than anything served up by your mate Steve" :lol: Again you stated Carver was better, because sometimes we were over 35% possession with him. Implying that we are never over 35% possession currently. Excluding City in the last 5 games we've had possession levels of 45% to 62%. :lol: I'll ask again: what the fuck are you about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 I think he's done a decent job this season, but he really doesn't help himself with comments like these Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Been sticking up for his good friend Mike Ashley in today's presser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Not stagnating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just came across this on Twitter some fans arguing over Rafa or Bruce... If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Not this knacker using "facts" again. We can't play against 10 men all the time you know. Two recent games. Palace away game 56% possession. Burnley home game 54% possession. Facts back up your argument. You should try it sometime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Mike says to say that, looks down and reads back of pizza takeaway flyer, 'not stagioni, no, not stagnating'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just came across this on Twitter some fans arguing over Rafa or Bruce... If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Not this knacker using "facts" again. We can't play against 10 men all the time you know. Two recent games. Palace away game 56% possession. Burnley home game 54% possession. Facts back up your argument. You should try it sometime. I find facts can distort the truth sometimes. I'm a good believer in using common sense and my own judgement on subjects I'm well versed in. You should try sometime it instead of acting like a robot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 ‘Explodes’ ? aye right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just came across this on Twitter some fans arguing over Rafa or Bruce... If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Not this knacker using "facts" again. We can't play against 10 men all the time you know. Two recent games. Palace away game 56% possession. Burnley home game 54% possession. Facts back up your argument. You should try it sometime. I find facts can distort the truth sometimes. I'm a good believer in using common sense and my own judgement on subjects I'm well versed in. You should try sometime it instead of acting like a robot. You believe we played better football under Carver? 15% win ratio, 8 losses in a row, and 3 total wins in 20 games, but we played better football than we do now? Do you agree with gjohnson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just came across this on Twitter some fans arguing over Rafa or Bruce... If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Not this knacker using "facts" again. We can't play against 10 men all the time you know. Two recent games. Palace away game 56% possession. Burnley home game 54% possession. Facts back up your argument. You should try it sometime. I find facts can distort the truth sometimes. I'm a good believer in using common sense and my own judgement on subjects I'm well versed in. You should try sometime instead of acting like a robot. You believe we played better football under Carver? 15% win ratio, 8 losses in a row, and 3 total wins in 20 games, but we played better football than we do now? Do you agree with gjohnson? No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just came across this on Twitter some fans arguing over Rafa or Bruce... If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Not this knacker using "facts" again. We can't play against 10 men all the time you know. Two recent games. Palace away game 56% possession. Burnley home game 54% possession. Facts back up your argument. You should try it sometime. I find facts can distort the truth sometimes. I'm a good believer in using common sense and my own judgement on subjects I'm well versed in. You should try sometime it instead of acting like a robot. You believe we played better football under Carver? 15% win ratio, 8 losses in a row, and 3 total wins in 20 games, but we played better football than we do now? Do you agree with gjohnson? No Good - we've found some common ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just came across this on Twitter some fans arguing over Rafa or Bruce... If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Not this knacker using "facts" again. We can't play against 10 men all the time you know. Two recent games. Palace away game 56% possession. Burnley home game 54% possession. Facts back up your argument. You should try it sometime. I find facts can distort the truth sometimes. I'm a good believer in using common sense and my own judgement on subjects I'm well versed in. You should try sometime it instead of acting like a robot. You believe we played better football under Carver? 15% win ratio, 8 losses in a row, and 3 total wins in 20 games, but we played better football than we do now? Do you agree with gjohnson? No Good - we've found some common ground. Don't think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 This Bruce v carver shit off really cuts to the heart of Steve’s latest quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Not stagnating He’s really dreading this takeover isn’t he Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 I just hope people judge on what we do and where we are. For me, looking ahead, it’s all about taking this club forwards – and I only want what’s best for this great football club of ours Ok then Steve, I'm all ears. Whats your road map for the future? What are your plans for improving the club, the squad, the training facilities, integration with the community, connecting with the fans etc ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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